Where's the reference tool. Is it a button, or script? I can't find it. Only templates, and catagories. I looked on the top bar but I only had different fonts etc. I've withheld my edit until I can reference the thing and I can't find the tool for doing such.
It's not a tool. You have to use reference tags. Have a look at this page on Wikipedia. It explains how to add them. Also, I've changed Nate's age in Cartagena back to 15.
He says that he was in prison at the age of 15, within a year of meeting Sully. This means that he was either 14 or 15 when he met Sully. Sully says that he's 25 years older than Nate, meaning that he was either 39 or 40 when the met. At the end of the game, he said that he was at least 40 when he met Nate, meaning that Nate had to have been 15 in Cartagena. It doesn't add up otherwise.
Yeah, still think he's 14. Hmm, it might have been a slip of age thing on Amy's part or Sully just used that as 40 thing for his speech. Oh, well, it's not a big thing. I won't change it, but I still swear Nate was 14. But Sully's definetly 60, 'cause it said on the Official Website. But yeah. It doesn't really add up anyway. Oh well...
Oh, you know it says the Wiki can get things wrong:
How do we know that Drake's Trail is an alternative reality? The only object of canocity is the age and that could just have been due to a change Amy decided to do. I know people who have done that an example being 'Elena's' eyes in the games. First ones, they're blue, right? In U3 they're brown. Does this make the other games non-canon?
Just wondering if there is proof for it, or is it speculation or personal opinion?
Drake's Trail was made before there was ever any established canon to explain things before the first game, there was nothing to contradict it. Then Among Thieves came out and Amy contradicted Nate's given age by stating Nate was in his "mid-thirties", and assuming the games are set in the year of release like they appear to be, it wouldn't add up.
Anyway, ND decided to make their own prequel; Eye of Indra, which is now the established canon, and contradicts Drake's Trail because it's Nate who actually gets in touch with Elena and her producers himself.
Not quite. Drake says he's going to talk to Elena. He could have been tracked down before. Remember, the aim of Drake's Trail was to FIND Nate, not talk to him about the plans. And Drake's Trail was ND endorsed, being on the Official Website and all.
Age? Means nothing. Amy changed Elena's, my, eyes, so why not Nate's age?
Not trying to get into a war over it, just pointing out that there is not evidence, no proven confirmed evidence that I know of, to say it's not canon. Remember as Klock says:
No Speculation. All above was your view on it and therefore can not be validated.
Sorry about seeming mean. Just putting forward the rules of the Wiki.
Eye of Indra implies Nate got in touch with her, but not confirmed. I'm just taking an established canon over an unestablished one, and Eye of Indra appears to contradict Drake's Trail slightly. I'm not going to say it is canon or not, but either way, i'm not about to change articles based on speculation.
You're contradicting yourself by suggesting that Nate could have been tracked before. That is specualtion.
Age does mean something, and if the games are set in the year of release, Amy and Uncharted 3 both contradict Drake's Trail. There are some written dates in Nate's journal in U2 i'll have to re-check also.
Character models change. Elena's eyes changed, Chloe's rear changed. Nate's model has been reconstructed from scratch with each game.
I never once said that my view was a validated source that should be put into articles. I'm well aware of the wiki rules. But understand that what I meant is that Eye of Indra IS established as canon wheras Drake's Trail's canonicity is still, and likely will remain unconfirmed.
No, Nate being tracked before is not speculation if I'm using Drake's Trail as canon, right? The point of DT is to trcak Nate. But see below:
Yes, I NEVER said that Drake's Trail was canon. Just that we can't say it's not (which is what you were doing) and I was pointing out flaws in your argument. Nothing I say can be true, but we need to remove the 'alternative reality' bit because it's not proven so we just leave it blank in that regard.
Eye of Indra doesn't contridict DT in any way I see. NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED BUT:
Example: Drake's Trail: Elena needs to find Nate. She uses guy to make contact with him. Nate says yes, I'll meet her! Let's do it Sunday!
EOI: 'I'm meeting up with her tomorrow. Sunday! Since she already contacted me and talked to me.
NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED but this could easily be the way it MIGHT have happened and it would all fit in. We never hear how Elena got into contact with him in the first place, do we? But the example above IS speculation, but I'm pointing out why it COULD be canon. Not saying it is.
Age does mean something. But you just proved me right! Character models change with mood, right? Blue to Brown? Must have been a 'I feel like Brown day', so why not with age too? 2007: 'Nate's in his twenties! 2011: I'm bored of Twenty Natey, let's make him 30 whatever instead.
Same thing with eyes: 2007: Elena has Blue eyes! 2011: I'm feeling brown.
That;s what I'm saying with age. We can't dismiss it's MAYBE canocity on what could have been a changing mood.
Look, it's all subjective, but I was just saying we have to remove all the stuff that says Drake's Trail in None-Canon, BECAUSE, as you said:
Drake's Trail's canonicity is still, and likely will remain unconfirmed.
We can't say whether it IS canon or not, we can't say whether it's Alternative Reality, or not.
It is speculation becase it's unconfirmed info. DT has not been confirmed canon or non-canon so you saying that Elena had sent a PI to track Nate (during this time the events of Eye of Indra would be taking place, according to your theory) without an actual source is spec.
I didn't say DT was not canon, I just said there is already established canon that possibly contradicts DT, such as the ages and the years the games are set in (if it is year of release then Nate's DOB in DT is wrong).
But seeing as it's canonicity is neither confirmed nor denied, it shouldn't be labled as canon or non-canon.
I already figured out the ages of Nate and Sully-but so far I can't find any information that would give me a hint to Elena's age. Age is important for the characters (at least it was if you were trying to base it off of UC3 info), and has nothing to do with mood.
Drake's Trail is, in my opinion, something that ND used to get people to play UC1. I think of it more like the Facebook Dragon Age game: it relates to the series, but isn't connected to the main games.
To Wordmaster: Okay, I've read a lot of stuff where the writer changes key story components for whatever reason. (Maybe he liked it better, maybe he forgot the original whatever e.g age, or maybe he wanted to change it). Writing is her MOOD. Amy's Nathan Drake is made purely out of her imagination and it will show when she decides to touch im up with stuff, (such as an altered age) to give him more death. I BET you didn't EVEn think Nate's parents had killed themselves and what not during DF. Nate evolved and smaller, originally uncared for details, might too have changed too.
I'm delving into Sully's storybooks here, but please bear with me and listen to this.
In those Percy Jackson stories, you have, in the first book, Thalia with green eyes. Then in the next one, she has Blue!
In those Uncharted games, I have blue eyes in the first ones, then brown in the third!
SO MAYBE (Not saying this is true, but it could be an explanation to the age change beyond, 'It's non-canon'): Nate's 28 in Drake's Trail. Later: Amy decides to touch upon his age properly for U3, seeing as how she needs to date Sulyl and Nate's relationship. Amy: I'll mkae him in his thirties.
Meanwhile: Drake's Trail, the original, uncared for age, is left the same because they figure no-ones going to care!
That's what I'm saying above! I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, said age 'WASN'T IMPORTANT! I just said that Amy's human and can make changes to her characters just like anyone else migt to there's. So there! Now can you understand what I'm driving at! I'M NOT saying this is TRUE!! I merely voicing a suggestion for anyone who's not narrow-minded enough to completly write off a theory!
Okay, there you go! I'm not saying ANY of this is true and I'm not shouting that DT is Canon, but I'm just presenting a 'Oh yeah, that could have happened! That's why the ages are different!'
DT was on the Official site, so was ND endorsed. And yeah, we're all going to have our own opinions on it.
And my age is 27, 28 in December unless Amy decides to change it again as she might have done to Nate, for whatever reason.. ND even had an Official Bio (that is now happily default) to tell you. 1984 all the way.
NT92: If you read that right NT92 I said I wasn't saying any of it was true! Merely pointing out that Eye of Indra does not go against it in any way and the ages could have been changed later due to a mood change just like my eyes were!
But yes, we just have to say that it is both Canon and Non Canon. We don't know so we can't label it in either category.
And NO NO NO NO!
Elena had sent a PI to track Nate (during this time the events of Eye of Indra would be taking place, according to your theory) without an actual source is spec.
Read my last post! I A.) Said that I sent a PI to track Nate BEFORE Eye of Indra. Not DURING IT! And B.) I just saying that as an example! I WAS NOT SAYING THAT HAPPENED!!!
Read this until you understand it!!!!
I NEVER SAID DRAKE'S TRAIL WAS CANON, I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T LABEL IN AS NON-CANON BECAUSE IT COULD BE.
But, we'll never know. This argument is pointless.
"Oh, and why does everyone say my name as 'Elena'."
Because this is confusing:
When referring to Elena, Elena, it can be confusing which Elena we're talking about, be it Elena or Elena. If one of us is talking about Elena and the other is talking about Elena, then how do we know if we're talking about Elena or Elena. When Elena edits Elena's page and then edits Elena's page, then which Elena are we referring to and which page was edited?
And this isn't:
When referring to Elena, "Elena", it can be confusing which Elena we're talking about, be it Elena or "Elena". If one of us is talking about Elena and the other is talking about "Elena", then how do we know if we're talking about Elena or "Elena". When "Elena" edits Elena's page and then edits "Elena's" (user)page, then which Elena are we referring to and which page was edited?
"Even if I'm the real character or not, doesn't mean my name can't be Elena."
When you legally change your birth name to Elena Fisher, you can have anybody you want call you it. Here, for the purposes of clarity and objectivity, it's "Elena" :-|
This is getting confusing. Elena's just her birth name, just like mine is Harry Flynn, aka the reason why we took the pun and used our names for these accounts as they are characters in the game. Also, to be fair, this is kind of a stupid arguement. All the facts point to Nate's age being about 34-5.